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刘大使确实否认了自己是共产主义者
送交者:  2012年01月31日08:20:19 于 [世界军事论坛] 发送悄悄话

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A screenshot shows BBC "Newsnight's" Jeremy Paxman asking Chinese ambassador to the U.K., Liu Xiaoming, whether he is a communist. Apparently he's not. (Courtesy of BBC)

 

One would expect that if an overseas emissary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) were asked if he were a communist, the answer would be simple and rather clear: Of course I am.

Liu Xiaoming, the CCP’s ambassador to the United Kingdom, made things more complicated recently. When asked, “Are you a communist?” by Jeremy Paxman, a BBC host, Liu faltered.

“Uh, no, we think in China, the ruling party is the Communist Party,” he said on BBC 2’s “Newsnight” program, on Jan. 23. “Now we have 70 million party members. But you have to remember China is a country with 1.3 billion people. So I don’t think you can call China … a communist country.”

The mistake was handily purged in the official transcript, however. “Well, in China …” the transcript on the website of the Chinese Embassy in the U.K. says. The awkward, “Uh, no” is all gone.

Liu’s 70 million Party members was also helpfully updated to 80 million.

Liu continued: “China is a socialist country. We call China a socialist country with Chinese characteristics.” He faltered a few times on the last word.

The unusual statement made by a high-ranking diplomat—that he is not a communist, and that China is not a communist country—set of a round of debate and discussion online.

Liu’s statement was ridiculed by Chinese netizens. Encapsulating the atmosphere, one blogger wrote: “Why wouldn’t Ambassador Liu admit he is a communist? Was he ashamed to admit it?”

Some saw in the remarks a glimpse of the Party’s evolving PR strategy: playing down those elements of its ideology that are distasteful to the West, while emphasizing the similarities. “Liu was being opportunistic and self-serving when dealing with democratic countries and the West,” dissident writer Zhu Xinxin from Hebei Province told New Tang Dynasty Television, a New York-based broadcaster. “He tried to conceal the CCP’s ideological differences and antagonism,” he added.

Others took it as a sign that his remarks suggest that Party apparatchiks have lost faith in the CCP.

“The ideology of the mainstream Chinese probably no longer embraces communism. Nowadays, they only believe in power and wealth. … That’s why he came up with a new explanation,” Beijing constitutional scholar Chen Yongmiao told NTD.

The CCP has become a privileged class that monopolizes power and wealth in China, said the dissident writer Zhu. Becoming a Party member is simply a quick way to access that wealth and power in contemporary Chinese society, he said.

Zhu’s prognosis was grim: China is not a communist country, nor at all a socialist country, but a primitive crony capitalist country economically, and a totalitarian dictatorship politically.

Chen Yongmiao said that people in the upper echelons of society, and people in the Party system, like Ambassador Liu, don’t really understand how people at the bottom feel.

 

“Because in the core of the system, they won’t know what it is like to live under totalitarian rule. If you ask anyone in the lower rungs of society, they would definitely say China is a communist country,” he said. “Because the Communist Party’s persecution and economic exploitation of them absolutely exists.”
 
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    CCP 和纳粹---你说的这个是申请某一些国家签证时的情况。  /无内容 - hmy 01/31/12 (555)
      是的.在西方国家民间对CCP也有一定的敌意.  /无内容 - e_o 02/01/12 (511)
    和中国有外交关系的前提就是承认土工合法性。隐瞒身份是自己有鬼  /无内容 - shanghai1228 01/31/12 (547)
      民主么!  /无内容 - 老弄堂 02/01/12 (485)
      中共的社会主义和西方的社会主义不是同一个概念 - 太阳黑子 01/31/12 (636)
          只能有中国特色的社会主义,就不能有西方特色的社会主义? - 太阳黑子 01/31/12 (575)
            哈哈,随便问一个加拿大人:“加拿大是社会主义吗?”答案我不用 - macrowave 01/31/12 (537)
              如果连社会主义,资本主义基本定义都混淆不清,就没什么好争的了 - macrowave 01/31/12 (578)
                中国声称现在中国的制度是中国特色的社会主义本来就没什么好争了 - 太阳黑子 01/31/12 (570)
                  腐儒再次温馨提醒:没有“的”。  /无内容 - 老朽 01/31/12 (540)
            腐儒温馨纠正:没有“的”。都20多年了,还改不掉“的”。 - 老朽 01/31/12 (555)
              这个容易,凡是有"的"之地方都换成之 - 太阳黑子 01/31/12 (599)
      如果将两个版本宪法掉个个,不知有些人会怎样?跳吧?欢呼吧?  /无内容 - macrowave 01/31/12 (513)
  大使不可能乱说话。应该是土共最高层的意思 - 太阳黑子 01/31/12 (625)
  回复:刘大使确实否认了自己是共产主义者 - acarefreeman 01/31/12 (631)
  国内也没有随便问人家是不是党员 - 二胖 01/31/12 (493)
    So it is a privacy in China?  /无内容 - meteor 01/31/12 (467)
    也不一定非要告诉  /无内容 - 二胖 01/31/12 (493)
  Liu misunderstood question - meteor 01/31/12 (581)
    he misunderstood his position - 庶民上篮 01/31/12 (579)
      You mean, he did intenionally  /无内容 - meteor 01/31/12 (508)
        more or less. - 庶民上篮 01/31/12 (579)
  抱歉,没看出处,但BBC确是这么写的。  /无内容 - dds 01/31/12 (492)
    文字游戏,断章取义,已不是新闻。  /无内容 - macrowave 01/31/12 (452)
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