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is it possible to make a calculation for India's GST 2.0, assume it increased consumption 10%, will the revenue bigger than before GST 2.0?
ChatGPT said:
Good question — we can answer it with a simple, transparent formula and a few numeric examples.
1) The basic formula
Let
C = pre-GST-2.0 taxable consumption (currency units)
r0 = current effective GST rate (as a decimal, e.g. 12% = 0.12)
g = consumption growth caused by GST-2.0 (here g=0.10 for +10%)
r1 = new effective GST rate under GST-2.0 (decimal)
Original revenue = R0=C×r0
New revenue = R1=C(1+g)×r1
So R1>R0 ⇔ C(1+g)r1>Cr0 ⇔
(1+g)r1>r0Equivalently the condition for revenue to increase is:
r1>1+gr0With g=0.10:
r1>1.1r0
2) Numeric threshold example (digit-by-digit arithmetic)
If the current effective rate r0=12% (0.12):
Compute threshold r0/1.1=0.12÷1.1.
Step-by-step:
0.12 ÷ 1.1 = 0.109090909... ≈ 10.9091%
So if r1>10.9091% then revenue rises; if r1<10.9091% revenue falls (despite +10% consumption).
Another example: if r0=10% (0.10):
0.10 ÷ 1.1 = 0.09090909... ≈ 9.0909% → new rate must exceed ≈9.09%.
If r0=15%:
0.15 ÷ 1.1 = 0.1363636... ≈ 13.6364% → new rate must exceed ≈13.64%.
3) Examples of percent change in revenue
The revenue ratio = R0R1=r01.1r1.
Percent change = (r01.1r1−1)×100%.
Example: r0=12%, r1=15%:
1.1 × 0.15 = 0.165
0.165 ÷ 0.12 = 1.375
Percent change = (1.375 − 1)×100% = 37.5% increase in revenue.
Example: r0=12%, r1=10%:
1.1 × 0.10 = 0.11
0.11 ÷ 0.12 ≈ 0.9166667
Percent change ≈ (0.9166667 − 1)×100% = −8.3333% (a fall).
4) Important real-world caveats (qualitative)
The math above is mechanical and assumes the effective tax base and compliance stay constant except for the +10% consumption. In reality:
Compliance/evasion: Raising nominal rates can increase tax evasion (reducing the effective base). That could offset revenue gains.
Base composition: If GST-2.0 changes exemptions or brings more items into the tax base, revenue could rise even with a lower average rate.
Behavioral responses: Higher prices may dampen real consumption (the +10% assumption could be optimistic or pessimistic depending on how policy is structured).
One-off vs sustained: A short-term 10% consumption bump (e.g., stimulus) differs from a permanent structural change.
Administrative costs and timing: Revenue collection lags, refunds, and transitional rules matter.
5) Bottom line (short answer)
With a 10% increase in consumption, revenue will be larger if and only if the new effective rate r1 satisfies:
r1>1.1r0.Plug in your actual current effective GST rate r0 and the proposed new rate r1 to check. If you like, tell me plausible values for r0 and r1 (or I can test several candidate scenarios) and I’ll compute exact revenue changes for each.
You said:
I think GST 2.0 rate of India is readily available, also the old rate is also available,,
ChatGPT said:
Yes — you’re correct. The data show that under Goods and Services Tax (India) (GST) there are published “old” rates and the new rates introduced under what is called “GST 2.0”. I’ll summarise the key numbers so you can use them in your calculation.
✅ Key published rates
Old structure (pre-GST 2.0)
New structure (GST 2.0, effective ~22 Sept 2025)
The reforms consolidated many slabs into: 5% (merit/essential goods) and 18% (standard goods) for most items. ClearTax+2World Trade Scanner+2
A special higher rate of 40% introduced for luxury/sin goods. Enkash+1
⚠ Important caveats
These are slab rates, i.e., assigned categories of goods/services. “Rate” in your calculation would be an effective average rate across consumption, which is more complex.
“Old rate” and “new rate” differ by category—some goods moved from one slab to another (e.g., from 28% → 18%), others from 12% → 5%, etc. So there isn’t a single old rate and a single new rate for all goods.
For your calculation of revenue impact you’ll likely need an average effective GST rate across the consumption base, both before and after reform — not just one slab rate.
Implementation date: the new structure comes into effect from 22 September 2025 for many items. www.ndtv.com+1
If you like, I can look up estimates of the “average effective GST rate” (across all taxable consumption) from pre-reform and the projected new regime for India. That would give you a more realistic value for r0 and r1 in your calculation. Would you like me to fetch those?
You said:
2024-25 revenue of India is published, you know the old GST rate, you know the new GST 2.0 rate, assume with GST 2.0 with 10% of increase of consumption, will revenue increase or not
ChatGPT said:
Great — we have enough data to run a rough calculation and estimate whether revenue would increase under Goods and Services Tax (India) (“GST”) 2.0 with a 10% boost in consumption. Here are the steps and assumptions, followed by the conclusion.
✅ Known facts & assumptions
From the sources:
We don’t have a published average “effective GST rate” (weighted across all goods/services). So we’ll need to assume one.
🔢 Simplified model & calculation
Let’s define:
Base consumption (before GST 2.0) = C0
Effective average GST rate before reform = r0
After reform, consumption rises by 10% → new consumption = C1=1.10×C0
Effective average GST rate after reform = r1
Revenue before = R0=C0×r0
Revenue after = R1=C1×r1=1.10×C0×r1
Revenue increases if:
R1>R0⇒1.10×r1>r0⇒r1>1.10r0
🎯 Example scenarios
We pick plausible values for r0 and see what r1 would need to be.
Scenario A: r0=15% (0.15)
Then the threshold: r1>0.15/1.10=0.13636…≈13.64%
If GST 2.0 effective rate ends up at 14% → revenue goes up (because 14% > 13.64%).
If GST 2.0 effective rate falls to 12% → revenue goes down (12% < 13.64%).
Scenario B: r0=12% (0.12)
Given the reform simplifies slabs (moving many goods to lower slabs) → the average effective rate might go down. If that happens, the consumption increase would need to offset the smaller rate.
📊 My estimate & conclusion
Since GST 2.0 moves many goods into lower rates (for example from 12% → 5%, or 28% → 18%) as part of rationalisation. ClearTax+2The Financial Express+2
That suggests r1 may be less than r0 in many cases (average effective rate falls).
If the average effective rate drops more than the factor corresponding to the consumption growth (10%) then revenue could fall despite higher consumption.
But if the consumption growth is strong and administrative/compliance improvements broaden the base, the net revenue could still increase.
Therefore: Under the assumption of 10% consumption growth, whether revenue increases or not depends on how much the average effective rate falls.
Given the reform aims include reducing rates for many goods (which pushes the effective rate downward) but also broadening base/boosting demand, the likely outcome is some increase, but the magnitude may be modest, and there’s a real risk of revenue drop if the rate cut is large and consumption growth <10% or compliance doesn’t improve.
If you like, I can run a more detailed model using estimated consumption base for India (for example ₹100 lakh crore) and different potential effective average rate numbers (say 14% → 11%, 15% → 12%, etc.) and show you a table of revenue outcomes. Would that be helpful?
You said:
i got it, As of late 2025, the estimated average effective GST rate for all consumption in India is projected to fall to approximately 9.5%. This decline is a result of the "GST 2.0" reforms, which took effect on September 22, 2025.
ChatGPT said:
Excellent — that gives us a clear quantitative base to work with. Let’s apply that 9.5% effective rate and see how the math turns out.
🧮 Assumptions
Pre-reform (GST 1.0) effective average rate: ~11.5% (based on government and IMF estimates for 2022–2024).
Post-reform (GST 2.0) effective rate: 9.5%.
Consumption increase after GST 2.0: +10%.
🔢 Calculation
Let baseline consumption = C0=100 (arbitrary units).
Then:
Comparison:
R1/R0=10.45/11.5≈0.9087
➡️ Revenue falls by about 9% even with 10% higher consumption.
📊 Interpretation
Even with more spending by consumers, the lower effective tax rate outweighs the increase in consumption. So unless compliance improves substantially (reducing evasion, widening base, or taxing informal sectors more efficiently), India’s GST revenues will likely decrease in the short term after GST 2.0.
However, if broader economic activity expands more than expected (say +20% consumption or +15% compliance gains), the loss could be offset within a year or two.