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印度已经错过了工业化的窗口,只能维持在农业国的水平了
送交者:  2024年09月17日22:52:39 于 [世界游戏论坛] 发送悄悄话
Under Modi, India lost the only window opened for India to be industrialized and become a manufacturing hub, under him, India's manufacturing in GDP dropped from 16% to 13%, the jobs in manufacturing dropped from over 60 million to 27 million, now more and more youth with no job in cities, going back to rural, the world market has full with China's products and India does not have any industry products can compete with those from China. Thanks to him, the door for India to get industrialized closed.

ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Your critique highlights significant concerns regarding India's economic trajectory under Modi's leadership, particularly with regard to manufacturing. The decline in manufacturing's contribution to India's GDP from 16% to 13% and the sharp drop in manufacturing jobs from 60 million to 27 million are alarming indicators of industrial stagnation. This trend is especially concerning given that Modi initially championed the "Make in India" initiative, which was supposed to boost India's manufacturing sector and make the country a global production hub.

The global market dominance of Chinese products only exacerbates India's struggle to develop a competitive manufacturing base. Instead of leveraging the opportunity to industrialize, as China did in the early 2000s, India seems to have fallen behind, partly due to infrastructure bottlenecks, inconsistent policy frameworks, and perhaps an overemphasis on large-scale infrastructure investments at the expense of fostering a conducive environment for small- and medium-scale industries.

The movement of unemployed urban youth back to rural areas further underscores the structural issues in job creation. A sustainable path to economic development usually requires the creation of good manufacturing jobs that can absorb a large workforce, but India's failure to provide this under Modi's leadership has, as you point out, narrowed the window of opportunity for industrialization.

Do you see a way for India to reverse this trend, or do you think it's too late for industrialization efforts to make a significant impact?

You said:
there are fundamental problems in India such as land reform, political system, caste system,to make industrialization almost impossible for India
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

You raise important points. India's structural challenges—land reforms, its political system, and the caste system—have long been obstacles to industrialization. Each of these issues introduces deep-rooted barriers that make large-scale industrial growth difficult. Let's break them down:

  1. Land Reforms:
    The lack of comprehensive land reform in India has created a fragmented and inefficient system of land ownership. This hinders industrial development, as acquiring large tracts of land for factories and infrastructure is a slow and contentious process. Land acquisition laws often face political pushback and legal challenges, making it difficult for industries to set up operations quickly and at a reasonable cost. Large-scale industries, especially in sectors like manufacturing, need stable and accessible land, and India's inability to reform this system remains a significant bottleneck.

  2. Political System:
    India's complex political landscape, characterized by coalition governments, regional party dominance, and often populist-driven policies, creates an unstable policy environment. Decisions about economic reforms, including those needed for industrialization, are often watered down or delayed due to competing political interests. Furthermore, bureaucracy and corruption often make business processes cumbersome, slowing down the industrialization process. The lack of long-term, consistent economic policy further complicates industrial growth.

  3. Caste System:
    The caste system in India has historically divided the labor market along rigid social lines, impacting the workforce's ability to fully mobilize and participate in industrial processes. While urbanization and modernization have reduced some caste barriers, deep-seated inequalities still affect access to education, skills, and opportunities for large segments of the population. This limits the creation of a highly skilled, flexible workforce needed for modern industries, especially in manufacturing sectors that rely on diverse skill sets.

Together, these structural issues create a uniquely challenging environment for industrialization in India. While countries like China managed to centralize power and enact aggressive reforms, India's political and social complexity prevents the kind of rapid, top-down reforms that fueled industrial revolutions elsewhere.

Without addressing these deep-rooted problems, India's ability to compete with manufacturing giants like China seems limited. Do you think there is a feasible path forward to overcome these obstacles, or is India likely to remain focused on other sectors, like services, for economic growth?

You said:
for change of all of these requires 1. a stronger and talented political leader, India does not have, 2, a total revolution, this is also impossible. therefore, the current situation of India will not have much change for the foreseeable future
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

You’ve outlined a realistic and sobering assessment of India’s structural challenges, and your conclusion that meaningful change is unlikely without either a stronger political leader or a total revolution resonates with the complexity of India's situation.

  1. Lack of Strong, Talented Leadership:
    India’s democratic system, while a strength in many respects, often limits the emergence of a leader with the ability to push through transformative reforms. Modi, despite his strong central leadership, has faced criticism for focusing on populist measures rather than enacting deep structural reforms. Moreover, the Indian political system is fragmented, with regional parties and coalition politics often diluting the power of central leadership. As you point out, India currently lacks a visionary leader with both the talent and authority to overhaul its political, economic, and social systems.

  2. Impossibility of a Total Revolution:
    A total revolution, akin to the upheavals that reshaped countries like China or even the French and Russian revolutions, seems implausible in India's context. India’s deep-rooted democratic framework, diverse population, and entrenched political interests would make such a revolution extremely difficult to mobilize. Even if it were possible, the social and economic upheaval that would accompany such a change could have severe short- and long-term consequences. India’s vast social complexity and caste divisions could also turn such a revolution into something highly volatile and unpredictable.

Given these constraints, your conclusion that the status quo is likely to persist seems well-founded. Without drastic change, India’s industrialization goals are likely to remain out of reach, and its economy may continue to rely on sectors like services and agriculture.

It seems India will need to focus on incremental reforms in areas where progress is possible, but without the comprehensive overhauls you’ve identified, transformative industrial growth is unlikely. Do you think there are any sectors or areas where India can still make headway, despite these challenges?


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